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- From: solar@dozy.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (Solar)
- Subject: Re: Why Amiga sucks and why it does't
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- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:36:22 GMT
- References: <2706.6597T1287T896@freeway.net> <4477.6599T831T2624@netspace.net.au>
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- In article <4477.6599T831T2624@netspace.net.au>, astroboy@netspace.net.au (Paul Dossett) writes:
- > >>Greg Thomson posted the following:
- >
- > >>: 3. Amigas are expensive
- >
- > > And so is all the hardware you need to run shit on a PC!
- >
- > Really? Then explain how the price of a 1200 with HD could buy you a Pentium
- > 75 with monitor, 8Mb RAM, soundcard, etc?
-
- Waitaminit. We are talking entry level system here, which means word processor
- and gaming for 80% of the home users. A1200 HD including software 1000,- DM/
- 700$. You mean, you can get your hands on a P75, 8MB, soundcard, (S)VGA card,
- monitor, hard drive (and, possibly, the almost must-be CD-ROM) plus MS Word
- plus MS Excell for 700$? Tell me the adress of the retailer!
-
- > >>: 4. They are not that easy to upgrade. Try adding a graphics card to an
- > >>: A1200
- >
- > > What do you expect? if you plan on putting cards in a computer,
- > get one with slots! DUH! Besides, ever try to put a card in a PC? And have
- > it work?
- >
- > I don't know any PC owners who have ever needed to!
-
- You do not know many, do you? Well, PCs are sold with most of the "necessary"
- stuff already buildt in. Fact is, however, that an A1200 comes with not-so-bad
- grafic and sound *without* need for a card, and an IDE controller. Makes three
- cards for the PC. Hell, I use an A2000 for years now, and the only cards I ever
- added were a flickerfixer and a turbocard.
- Moreover, you heard about the A1200+, coming in a mini tower?
-
-
- > >>: 5. They do not have a PCI bus
- >
- > > PCI is not a good as ZORRO-III (first and best!), and another - we
- > > will!
- >
- > That's nice and logical.. 1) PCI kicks Zorro-III's arse and 2) if PCI is
- > inferior, why do you count having it as a plus?
- >
- > Face it, PCI is a much faster and compatible bus system that Zorro-III.
-
- Compatible with PC, yes. Have you ever spend a thought about how the Amiga
- market gives shit about compability? Are we MS-DOS-compatible? No. Are we
- Intel compatible? No. Are we Windows compatible? No. Because the Amiga has
- its own advantages that would be lost when it would jump onto the Pentium/
- PCI/VGA-bandwaggon. And second, do not compare PCI/Zorro-III. Compare the
- most recent with the most recent - how about the DraCo direct slot, topping
- off at a whooping 35 MByte/Second?
-
-
- > >>: 8. Amiga games suck compared to the ones in the PC world
-
- The fact that Amiga software did run sufficiently fast on 020/030 systems
- led many people to believe that this would be enough system power to compete
- with the other platforms. This belief has changed. PPC is the future, pushing
- the CPU performance up to 150 MHz.
- Amiga games had the same lack of development as the CPU. The Amiga went down
- for over a year, and few people cared about developing new games for the Amiga.
- Moreover, the CD-ROM has entered the PC-market quickly, because the large PC-
- programms made such a medium worthwhile. The Amiga is only now beginning to
- employ CD-ROMs in sufficient numbers. The mind blasting PC games are so good
- because they use animated grafics or even digitized videos eating hundreds of
- MByte on the CD. Only if the CD-ROM starts being a standard Amiga periphery,
- too, Amiga will see the same quality of games.
-
- Besides, do you realize how the arguments have changed? There was a time when
- the Amiga was blamed to be a "gaming plattform". Now, people decide to buy a
- PC because of the games...
-
- > AmigaDOS is rapidly becoming outdated, lacking VM, memory protection, RTG,
- > networking, etc etc etc..
-
- The AmigaOS shares the same problem as the CPU, the games and everything else.
- It only now starts being updated.
- Virtual Memory? Try GigaMem, available on the AmiNet.
- Networking? Try the Ariadne card for Novell networks.
- Hey, the AmigaOS is not only what comes on the Kickstart diskettes. It is
- much more - available on the greatest PD software database available for
- ANY system. MUI and VM are only two points.
-
- Again, all this talk "PC is better" and "is not" is in vain. The A4000 is a
- system that entered the market at the time of the 486, and even then the
- development lagged behind due to Commodore.
-
- It is the PowerAmiga that has to be compared with PCs available by 1997.
- It is Kickstart 4.0 that has to be compared with Windows 95/97.
-
- Right now, I see one good point for the Amiga. The A1200 *is* the cheapest and
- easiest-to-use entry-level system available. I will stay on the edge of my seat
- waiting for the Power"A"/Kick 4.0.
- --
- Martin Baute
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